Allcargo Logistics Q1 FY26 earnings call

Wed 13 Aug 2025ALLCARGO

In brief

Allcargo Q1 FY26: revenue ₹3,817 cr (+1% YoY); business EBITDA ₹103 cr vs ₹136 cr; ₹83 cr notional FX loss hit reported PAT

Management's tone
Mixed
What was said
Mixed
Guidance
None given
Analyst pushback
Low
Stock, next session
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  • Consolidated revenue ₹3,817 cr (+1% YoY, -3% QoQ); consolidated gross profit ₹856 cr (+8% YoY, +2% QoY) on steady yield despite flat volumes.
  • Business EBITDA (ex other income and items) ₹103 cr vs ₹136 cr in Q1 FY25 and ₹128 cr QoQ; notional FX loss of ~₹83 cr drove reported PAT decline.
  • Gross debt down ₹107 cr QoQ to ₹1,060 cr; net debt ₹467 cr, with euro-term reduction larger but partly masked by currency translation.
  • Domestic contract logistics revenue +49% YoY and EBITDA +29% YoY; white space reduction cited as margin lever with healthy post-quarter pipeline.
  • Demerger NCLT hearing held on Aug 13; management expects matter to conclude in September or latest October, with listing a couple of months after.

An AI read of the company's transcript · the filing

The numbers

The quarter, Q1 FY26

This quarterA year agoLast quarterMargin
Revenue₹3,817 cr+0.1%−3.4%
EBITDA (excl. other income)₹26.1 cr−80.3%−77.9%0.7% (3.5% a year ago)
Net profit₹-99.9 cr——-2.6% (0.1% a year ago)
EPS (₹)₹-1.02——

From the company's filed results for the quarter ended 30 Jun 2025 (consolidated), not from the call. EBITDA here excludes other income, so it can differ from the figure management quotes.

Where management's figures differ from the filing

  • EBITDA (management definition, ex other income and other items): said ₹103 cr (ex other income and other items); filed ₹26.11 cr (margin 0.7%). Management's definition excludes 'other income and other items from a business standpoint'; filed figure is PBT + finance costs + depreciation - other income (₹26.11 cr).

What moved the numbers, as management explained it

  • Notional FX loss of ₹83 cr on USD-denominated intercompany loans from Belgian holding, owing to ~9% EUR-USD swing in the quarter (long-term 5-year change only ~1.8%). (accounting)
  • EUR appreciation lifted European local revenue and gross profit but also raised European staff and G&A costs; net effect broadly neutral at EBITDA level.
  • One-off items totaling ~$2.2M third-party doubtful debt provisions on discontinued non-core businesses plus $1.6-1.7M additional variable payouts recognized this quarter. (one-off)
  • Domestic contract logistics revenue +49% YoY on new business wins; express revenue -7% QoQ due to deliberate customer rationalization, lifting EBITDA despite top-line dip.
  • Cost initiatives: financial outsourcing phase 1 on track; operational outsourcing delayed by two quarters to year-end (Dec) quarter.

The numbers management led with

  • Contract logistics YoY growth: Revenue +49-50% YoY, EBITDA +29-30% YoY
  • Express (Gati) EBITDA growth: EBITDA +18% YoY despite revenue -7% QoQ at Rs. 357 cr
  • Notional FX loss in P&L: Rs. 83 crores in Q1 FY26 (non-cash, intercompany USD loans at Belgian sub)

Guidance

Guidance on this call

WhatForWhat management said
Financial outsourcing annualized savings (International Supply Chain)Q2 FY26$1.5M annualized recurring savings from first phase of financial outsourcing, to be implemented next quarter
Operational outsourcing cost reduction (International Supply Chain)Q3 FY26Operational outsourcing expected to conclude by year-end (December) quarter, delayed by two quarters
Doubtful debt provisions outlook (International Supply Chain)Q4 FY26Negligible doubtful debt provisions from Q1 CY26 onwards after exiting non-core businesses
Express operating gross margin target (Domestic Express)—Express operating gross margin currently under 25%, target closer to 30%
Demerger NCLT conclusionQ2 FY26NCLT hearing expected next month (September); matter expected to conclude by September or latest October

The business

By business

International Supply Chain (ECU Worldwide)

Revenue ₹3,330 cr, similar to Q1 FY25. LCL volumes 2.14M cbm (+3% QoQ), FCL 168,000 TEUs (+6% QoQ), Air 8.4M kg (+5% YoY, -14% QoQ). EBITDA ₹52 cr vs ₹87 cr.

Revenue ₹3,330 cr · LCL volume 2.14 million cbm · FCL volume 168,000 TEUs · Air volume 8.4 million kilos · EBITDA ₹52 cr

Outlook: Near-term volumes 8-10% up sequentially in July on festive demand; broader recovery contingent on trade and geopolitical environment.

Domestic Express (Gati)

Revenue ₹357 cr, declined 7% QoQ on seasonality and deliberate customer rationalization; EBITDA +18% YoY on cost initiatives.

Revenue ₹357 cr · Revenue -7% QoQ · EBITDA +18% YoY

Outlook: July revenue momentum stronger; operating gross margin currently under 25% with target closer to 30%; volume-driven cost leverage expected.

Domestic Contract Logistics

Revenue +49% YoY and EBITDA +29% YoY; operating with white space capacity above desired levels; signed additional contracts post quarter.

Revenue growth +49% YoY · EBITDA growth +29% YoY

Outlook: Margin upside from utilizing existing white space without incremental rental cost; healthy pipeline in place.

Balance sheet, capex and funding

  • Gross debt ₹1,060 cr, down ₹107 cr QoQ; rupee-term reduction smaller than underlying euro-term debt paydown due to currency translation.
  • Net debt ₹467 cr, below the previous quarter.
  • Borrowings of Belgian subsidiary denominated in EUR; euro-USD volatility creates rupee-term translation noise on reported debt.
  • Working capital rationalized through efficiency measures, contributing to debt reduction.
  • Operating cash flow remained strong despite weak earnings, supporting deleveraging.

The industry, as management sees it

Global trade is subdued and unpredictable due to US tariff escalation (India, EU 15%, China delays) and geopolitical tensions, but tariff deadlines intermittently create volume spikes into the US that help yields. Industry air/express volumes have shown double-digit growth in recent months, and near-term Jul–Sep quarter is expected to be stronger on festive-season demand. Beyond that, broader recovery is dependent on macroeconomic and geopolitical normalization.

Risks management named

  • US tariff escalation (India double-tariff hit, EU 15%, China delays) could prolong trade-volume softness
  • Euro appreciating against USD lifts both local revenue and SG&A — net neutral but creates reported P&L noise
  • Doubtful-debt provisions of ~$2.2 mn in Q1; management says negligible from Q1 CY26 after non-core exits
  • Operational outsourcing action delayed by ~2 quarters vs. plan

Q&A

Q&A was dominated by two analysts (Jefferies, PhillipCapital) covering four themes: (1) international supply chain GP-to-EBITDA bridge including the Rs. 83 cr notional FX loss, one-off provisions, and delayed cost-out actions; (2) express/distribution green shoots with specific data on July momentum and margin upside; (3) US tariff impact on global trade lanes and the defensive buffer of being a multi-lane global player with ECU360 expansion to FCL; and (4) demerger NCLT timeline. Management was open and granular — Ravi Jakhar (CFO) carried most of the load and provided specific dollar amounts on one-offs; Jan Lasthues added color on tariffs and ECU360. The call ended abruptly when the management line disconnected, leaving no formal closing remarks.

Asked for a number, answered without one

  • Tariff cost-sharing between brands and supply chain partners: Stated no significant negotiation pressure as yield is dollar-based and freight rate as buying cost adjusts with lower demand; no quantification of share provided.

Every question, with its answer

  1. 1. International supply chain GP-to-EBITDA conversion + Express recovery

    Koundinya Nimmagadda, Jefferies

    Question. On the international supply chain front, with currency movements helping gross profit but not EBITDA, can you provide granularity on gross profit to EBITDA conversion and update on cost-reduction initiatives? Separately, on express distribution, are you seeing any green shoots that give optimism for H2 given the segment has been weak for some time?

    Answer, Ravi Jakhar, Director, Strategy and Group CFO. Business is largely USD-priced; yields consistent over last three quarters. Ocean freight ~50% of cost (LCL) and 65-70% (FCL) is USD. Local cost/revenue typically net out in local currencies. EUR appreciation of 9% lifted European GP and SG&A by ~1.8% each, broadly netting out. Other cost pressures: ~$1.5 mn third-party provisions, ~$0.7 mn intercompany receivables squared off, ~$1.6-1.7 mn variable payouts. On outsourcing, operational plan to conclude 30-40 roles was delayed by ~2 quarters; financial outsourcing Phase-1 on track for next quarter with ~$1.5 mn annualized savings. Other initiatives: rate-management tools, AI/automation projects on track. Volumes 8-10% up June vs July sequentially, but seasonal. On express, July volumes looking good; expects momentum through festive season; industry has seen double-digit growth; new team settled; marginal price increases taken; cost optimization done; revenue and rates both improving.

    Follow-up. Can you quantify the one-off payments/other expenses with respect to receivables or provisions?

    Answer. Approximately $1.5 mn of third-party provisions, ~$0.7 mn of intercompany receivable positions squared off net impact, and $1.5-1.7 mn of variable payouts not previously provided for. Total ~$2.2 mn on provision side plus $1.6-1.7 mn additional variable payouts. Outlook: negligible doubtful-debt provision from Q1 CY26 after non-core exits.

  2. 2. Express gross margin recovery potential

    Koundinya Nimmagadda, Jefferies

    Question. Do you have any specific comments on the gross profit or gross margin side in the express business that seems to have taken a hit?

    Answer, Ravi Jakhar, Director, Strategy and Group CFO. Express GP should be sitting at a higher number going forward. Deductions were above estimate levels (claims settle in later quarters); steps being taken could yield 0.3-0.5% GP impact. Volume scale-up will lower mid-mile operating cost (km/truck, etc.). Operating gross margin is under 25% this quarter vs ideal closer to 30% — clear room to improve. In international, percentages are misleading because freight is pass-through; recommends yield (GP/volume) as the right metric.

  3. 3. Tariff impact on trade + ECU360 door-to-door strategy

    Vikram Suryavanshi, PhillipCapital

    Question. With US tariffs, how do you see reorientation of trade or early signs of regional volume impact? Separately, on ECU360 app, what is the share of door-to-door volume out of total, and is there scope to capture more of the end-to-end wallet?

    Answer, Jan Kleine Lasthues, Chief Operating Officer – ECU Worldwide. Market is volatile and hard to predict on tariffs. India hit with double tariffs; EU at 15%; China decision delayed. Tariff deadlines cause short-term volume spikes into the US that help yields. Long-term global volumes are a bit down; uncertainty is not helping global trade. Allcargo is navigating well; yields up; volumes targeted to grow. Not the largest market share, so growth is possible. On ECU360, the platform now provides instant door-to-door pricing globally; recently extended from LCL to FCL — expecting a big push in FCL volume via ECU360 and to earn additional GP on first/last leg and value-added services, not just port-to-port. Other companies have tried similar tools; ECU360 is unique as a neutral digital partner. Disconnected line issue during this exchange.

    Follow-up. With tariff hikes happening, are brands asking supply chain partners to bear part of the tariff burden?

    Answer. Yes — answered in follow-up: Allcargo is a platform/consolidator that creates efficiency via LCL loading rather than half-utilized boxes. Profit is from efficiency, not vanilla cost markup, so no significant negotiation pressure. Where tariffs shrink volumes on a lane, freight rates come down, and Allcargo passes on lower cost to customers while keeping the same margin. Yield (USD/cbm, USD/TEU) has remained absolutely consistent over the last three quarters. Jan Lasthues added: tariffs hit individual lanes (e.g., China-to-US) but the rest of the world keeps trading normally, and being a global player lets ECU/Allcargo grow on other lanes.

  4. 4. ECU360 expansion to FCL and wallet-share upside

    Vikram Suryavanshi, PhillipCapital

    Question. Any update on ECU360's ability to garner more door-to-door wallet share from customers?

    Answer, Jan Kleine Lasthues, Chief Operating Officer – ECU Worldwide. ECU360 gives push-of-a-button door-to-door pricing globally — already a lot of business gained through it. Plan is to gain more, now extended to FCL in addition to LCL. Goal: grow FCL volume and earn additional GP on first/last leg and value-added services, not just port-to-port. ECU360 6 (digital quotation + full customer interaction) is a clear advantage — Jan notes he has not seen another company deliver this end-to-end in 25 years in the industry.

  5. 5. Demerger and listing timeline

    Vikram Suryavanshi, PhillipCapital

    Question. What is the expected timeline for the demerger listing post-restructuring, and is it revised?

    Answer, Ravi Jakhar, Director, Strategy and Group CFO. NCLT hearing was scheduled for the day of the call; however, NCLT has been significantly occupied and a fresh hearing date is expected next month. Matter should conclude in that hearing or in September or latest October, after which the demerger can become effective. Listing process would then take a couple of months to follow.

What was said

Topic by topic, in the order it was spoken

Q1 FY26 Business Overview and Segment Split · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • Q1 split into international supply chain (subdued) and domestic (good momentum).
  • Domestic business benefits from strong macro, growing e-commerce/quick-commerce tailwinds for logistics.
  • Express/contract logistics delivering good performance with operating-leverage potential ahead.
  • International supply chain muted on US tariff, geopolitical tension; gross profit flat, EBITDA impacted by cost and FX.

Near-term International Volume Outlook · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • Volumes up 8-10% sequentially in July vs June, attributed to festive-season seasonality rather than structural recovery.
  • Beyond Jul-Sep, broader recovery contingent on macro and geopolitical normalization; long-term commentary difficult.
  • Tariff deadlines in US intermittently spike volumes and yields, helping current quarter but not durable.

Consolidated Financial Performance · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • Consolidated revenue Rs. 3,817 cr (+1% YoY, -3% QoQ); gross profit Rs. 856 cr (+8% YoY, +2% QoQ).
  • EBITDA Rs. 103 cr vs Rs. 136 cr YoY and Rs. 128 cr QoQ on cost pressure and FX.
  • Yields held flat; gross profit growth partly driven by EUR appreciation on local European revenue.
  • Euro inflation lifted European SG&A, broadly netting out at EBITDA level.

Notional FX Loss Disclosure · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • Q1 FY26 notional FX loss of Rs. 83 cr from USD-denominated intercompany loans at Belgian holding.
  • 5-year USD-EUR change only ~1.8-1.9% (under 0.1% per quarter), but Q1 saw 9% single-quarter move; July reversed 4%.
  • Company is reviewing accounting treatment to smooth P&L noise; will show FX as a separate line item going forward.
  • Loss is notional and not hedgeable; no real cash impact.

Debt and Working Capital · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • Gross debt reduced by Rs. 107 cr QoQ to Rs. 1,060 cr; net debt down to Rs. 467 cr.
  • Reduction driven by working-capital rationalization, operating business cash flow and EUR translation effect; partly masked by FX.
  • Confirms improved efficiency in working-capital management.

International Supply Chain Segment Detail · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • LCL volume 2.14 mn cbm (+3% QoQ); FCL 168k TEUs (+6% QoQ); Air 8.4 mn kg (+5% YoY, -14% QoQ seasonal).
  • Segment revenue Rs. 3,330 cr, broadly flat YoY and QoQ as volumes and freight rates were range-bound.
  • Segment EBITDA Rs. 52 cr vs Rs. 87 cr YoY and Rs. 80 cr QoQ.

Domestic Express (Gati) Performance · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • Q1 revenue Rs. 357 cr, down 7% QoQ on seasonality; momentum in July improving.
  • EBITDA up 18% YoY despite revenue decline on cost rationalization and selective customer exits.
  • New management team settled in; selective on customers, focus on margin and cost.

Contract Logistics Performance · Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO)

  • YoY revenue +49-50%, EBITDA +29-30% — strong growth.
  • Still operating with white-space capacity above desired levels; margin upside from filling that space without incremental rent.
  • New contracts signed post-quarter close; healthy pipeline.

In their words

The volumes remain steady. The yields remained steady and the SG&A costs have been largely rangebound barring these exceptions. And the intent now from here on is how we can expand the volumes.
Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO, Allcargo Logistics)
It's important to keep in mind, and that's a clear advantage on us as ECU, Allcargo that we are a global trading or forwarding or transport company, logistics companies. So we are trading with all and all countries.
Jan Kleine Lasthues (COO – ECU Worldwide, Allcargo Logistics)
We have our hearing today, this is the final hearing which was scheduled. However, we believe that NCLT has been significantly occupied, and we should now get a hearing date next month. And we expect that in that hearing or maybe in September or latest October, we expect the matter to conclude then the demerger can be get effective.
Ravi Jakhar (Director, Strategy and Group CFO, Allcargo Logistics)

To check next time

What management committed to on this call, or the dates they gave.

  • Implementation of phase 1 of financial outsourcing, targeting ~$1.5M annualized recurring savings.
  • Update on accounting practices to smooth notional FX fluctuations on intercompany loans (management flagged views next quarter).
  • Whether festive season volume momentum (8-10% sequential rise in July) sustains into August-September.
  • Doubtful debt provision run-rate after exiting non-core operations in select countries.
  • NCLT conclusion of demerger hearing expected by September or October 2025.

Transcript

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The stock after the call

After the callCloseStockNifty 50
Next session Wed 13 Aug 2025₹34.03−4.68%+0.54%
5 sessions Wed 20 Aug 2025₹34.70−2.80%+2.30%
20 sessions Thu 11 Sept 2025₹31.18−12.66%+2.12%

From the close of Tue 12 Aug 2025, ₹35.70: the close before the call day (the call's time is not on file). Adjusted daily closes; the move includes everything else that happened in those sessions.

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